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Post by mondo on Jun 24, 2023 4:34:09 GMT
Vasco,
do you think the expansion for Laurent series $... - \frac{1}{z^3} - \frac{1}{z^2}- \frac{1}{z}- \frac{1}{2} - \frac{z}{4}$ is correct? I can't get it substituting various $n$ into the epsilon formulas. For $n=0$ I get correctly $-\frac{1}{z} - \frac{1}{2}$ but then how can then be any term to the left of it if the sum starts at $n=0$? Also for $n=1$ I get $- \frac{1}{z^2} - \frac{z}{4}$ but this doesn't match what is in the book.
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Post by Admin on Jun 24, 2023 6:58:23 GMT
Vasco, do you think the expansion for Laurent series $... - \frac{1}{z^3} - \frac{1}{z^2}- \frac{1}{z}- \frac{1}{2} - \frac{z}{4}$ is correct? Yes I think it is correct. But the series is powers of $(1/z)$. The symbol is not epsilon. It's called sigma ($\Sigma$) It does agree with the book. Why do you think it doesn't? Vasco
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Post by mondo on Jun 24, 2023 7:23:38 GMT
The symbol is not epsilon. It's called sigma ($\Sigma$) Right, they look similar though. Also for $n=1$ I get $- \frac{1}{z^2} - \frac{z}{4}$ but this doesn't match what is in the book. It does agree with the book. Why do you think it doesn't? Ok, looks like author just decided to put them in the increasing order. It makes sense now. Thanks!
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Post by mondo on Jun 24, 2023 21:33:52 GMT
I have a few more questions, including the exercise at the end of this subsection 1: 1. Starting from something basic, for the series $\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} z^n = \frac{1}{1-z}$ looking at the left hand side sum, it is easy to see that it only converges to some value when $|z| < 1$ but can you see it using the right hand formula as well? I know that there are various methods of calculating radius of convergence i.e a ratio test which here returns $\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_{n}} = \frac{1}{1} = 1$ and we manually test endpoints to discover $-1 < R < 1$ 2. For $\sum_{n=0}^{\infty} (\frac{z}{2})^n$ we say it is valid for $|z| < 2$ why? UPDATE. Ok it makes sense even intuitively, we can now have two times bigger $z$ as we divide by two. As for the ratio test it's value shall be now divided by $2$ and hence we have $ L = \frac{1}{2}$ so $R = \frac{1}{L} = 2$ 3. For the exercise for $|z| > 2$ how was the new expansion obtained? We know that for $|z| > 2$ there are no more singularities but in the same time both series are divergent. So two questions, a. Why do we care about a Laurent series anymore if we know that there are no more singularities? Shouldn't Taylor series be enough here? b. Both series are divergent at $|z| > 2$
UPDATE:
for 3.a, I think we still want Laurent series to also cover the singularities before but strictly speaking, if we only care about arguments $|z| > 2$ we don't need a Laurent series anymore right? b. Surprisingly, the two examples that are already in the book show that by slightly modifying these partial fraction we can get wide range of convergence. This observation allowed me to tackle this exercise.
Here is my attempt. We need $|z| > 2$ and for the first partial fraction we already have it, namely $- \sum_{n=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{z}^{n+1}$ it converges for $|z| > 1$ so will also do for $|z| > 2$. Next we nee to adjust $\frac{1}{(2-z)}$ so it converges in the same circle. It is not hard to come up with $\frac{1}{z} \sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(1-\frac{2}{z})$ Next expanding just first few terms shows: first term cancels out for both sums. The second term, one gives $\frac{1}{z^2}$ while the other $\frac{2}{z^2}$ which sums up to $-\frac{1}{z^2}$. In the same way next terms sum up to $-\frac{3}{z^3}$. Which complies with what's in the book (ignoring the first term $\frac{1}{z}$ which is already marked as an error and removed in a newer editions of the book)
Thank you.
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Post by mondo on Jun 25, 2023 19:30:53 GMT
Vasco,
do you agree with my post above? Additionaly, the first bullet point of page 443: "Since we know that a power series in $(z-a)$ will converge inside a disc centered at $a$, it follow that a power series in $\frac{1}{(x-a)}$ will converge outside a disk centered at $a$". Is that because the radius of convergence is defined as $R < L$ where $L$ is some specific value (the boundary of the disc of convergence) and when we invert our series this also changes direction to $R > L$?
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Post by Admin on Jun 26, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
Mondo
1. You can't say we can see that the series converges. How can you know? You obviously haven't read the last few paragraphs on page 433. Forget all those ratio tests we don't need them and they don't give us any insight as to what is happening.
2.Same as 1.
3. You need to distinguish between Taylor series and Laurent series. The two Taylor series are divergent but what about the Laurent series. Again this shows that you haven't read this chapter and understood it.
3a We want to find a series which converges for $|z|>2$ that's why we care about a Laurent series. Taylor series are divergent here!!!!
3b Both Taylor series are divergent, but what about the Laurent series?
Comments regarding your UPDATE
3a No not right. We do need a Laurent series here as The two Taylor series are divergent here!!
b What you have written about modifying the partial fractions to get convergence is totally wrong. Those manipulations are to make it easier to write the series as a summation that's all.
As a result your attempt at 3 cannot be right. Also the $1/z$ is still in the latest printing.
Vasco
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2023 12:17:15 GMT
Mondo Looking back in time I see that I posted a comment that the $1/z$ term should not be there in the answer to the suggested exercise. Here is a link to this post back in 2017. vcaneedham.freeforums.net/post/1502I still agree with what I wrote in this post Apologies for contradicting myself. Vasco
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Post by Admin on Jun 27, 2023 13:46:29 GMT
Mondo
Mondo
I also agree with this, quoted from your reply #3 above. Apologies again.
Vasco
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2023 17:06:50 GMT
Vasco, do you agree with my post above? Additionaly, the first bullet point of page 443: "Since we know that a power series in $(z-a)$ will converge inside a disc centered at $a$, it follow that a power series in $\frac{1}{(x-a)}$ will converge outside a disk centered at $a$". Is that because the radius of convergence is defined as $R < L$ where $L$ is some specific value (the boundary of the disc of convergence) and when we invert our series this also changes direction to $R > L$? Mondo I think that's on the right track but I think we need a more precise argument. Given that a power series in $(z-a)$ will converge inside some disc centred at $a$ then a power series in $1/(z-a)$ can be written as $Q(z)=a_0+a_1/(z-a)+a_2/(z-a)^2+...=P(w)=a_0+a_1w+a_2w^2+...$ where $w=1/(z-a)$. From this we should be able to show that $Q(z)$ converges outside a disc centred at $a$. (I hope.) Vasco
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Post by mondo on Jun 29, 2023 6:51:50 GMT
Vasco, I got caught up by work, will respond as soon as I can. Thank you!
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Post by Admin on Jun 29, 2023 7:56:33 GMT
Mondo
I updated my reply #8 above to make it clearer.
Vasco
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Post by mondo on Jun 30, 2023 0:53:05 GMT
Vasco, do you agree with my post above? Additionaly, the first bullet point of page 443: "Since we know that a power series in $(z-a)$ will converge inside a disc centered at $a$, it follow that a power series in $\frac{1}{(x-a)}$ will converge outside a disk centered at $a$". Is that because the radius of convergence is defined as $R < L$ where $L$ is some specific value (the boundary of the disc of convergence) and when we invert our series this also changes direction to $R > L$? Mondo I think that's on the right track but I think we need a more precise argument. Given that a power series in $(z-a)$ will converge inside some disc centred at $a$ then a power series in $1/(z-a)$ can be written as $Q(z)=a_0+a_1/(z-a)+a_2/(z-a)^2+...=P(w)=a_0+a_1w+a_2w^2+...$ where $w=1/(z-a)$. From this we should be able to show that $Q(z)$ converges outside a disc centred at $a$. (I hope.) Vasco Vasco, but $P(w)=a_0+a_1w+a_2w^2+...$ where $w=1/(z-a)$ means we have a radius of convergence equal the distance to the nearest singularity, which in this case is $w=1$. Hence we can do $|w| < 1 => |\frac{1}{(z-a)}| < 1 = z > 1 + a$ But this is not quite what we wanted.
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Post by Admin on Jun 30, 2023 13:09:33 GMT
Mondo
That's not how I see it.
The power series P in $w$ must converge for $|w|<R$, where $R$ is a positive number. Since $w=1/(z-a)$ then this means that $\displaystyle\frac{1}{|(z-a)|}<R$ We can rewrite this as $|(z-a)|>\frac{1}{R}$ So the power series Q in $\displaystyle\frac{1}{(z-a)}$ converges outside a disc centred at $a$ of radius $(1/R)$.
Vasco
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Post by mondo on Jul 1, 2023 20:29:55 GMT
Mondo That's not how I see it. The power series P in $w$ must converge for $|w|<R$, where $R$ is a positive number. Since $w=1/(z-a)$ then this means that $\displaystyle\frac{1}{|(z-a)|}<R$ We can rewrite this as $|(z-a)|>\frac{1}{R}$ So the power series Q in $\displaystyle\frac{1}{(z-a)}$ converges outside a disc centred at $a$ of radius $(1/R)$. Vasco Vasco, what is the last statement "So the power series Q.." based on? How is that true?
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Post by Admin on Jul 2, 2023 9:58:20 GMT
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