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Post by Admin on Nov 11, 2016 12:37:17 GMT
Gary As there is a reference to exercise 24 on page 337 in the book at the end of subsection 8, I thought I'd have a go at it. Here's my attempt. Vasco
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Post by Gary on Feb 10, 2017 5:45:54 GMT
Vasco, Here is my attempt. Confusing topic with all the orthogonal semicircles, reflections, translations, and rotations. I usually end up referring to [29], p. 163, or one of its equivalents. I'm casting about for rules of thumb. nh.ch6.ex24.pdf (182.47 KB) Edited following Vasco's comments. Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 10, 2017 16:05:33 GMT
Gary
I think you have made the same typo twice (middle of page 1 and top of page 2) and written $(ad-bc)=0$ when it should be $(ad-bc)>0$, at least that's what it is in my edition of the book. If I remember rightly yours is a slightly earlier version than mine. The last line of words on page 1 of your document is incorrect, because you cannot just remove the constant $-1$. This can only be done if the matrix representation of $M$ can be written as $[M]=k[M_1]$ where $k$ is a constant. What you have done violates the rules of algebra. On the second line of your answer to part (iii) there is a typo: $\mathcal{M}$ should be $M$. Are you sure that the fixed points of these two are the same?
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Post by Gary on Feb 10, 2017 17:21:19 GMT
Gary I think you have made the same typo twice (middle of page 1 and top of page 2) and written $(ad-bc)=0$ when it should be $(ad-bc)>0$, at least that's what it is in my edition of the book. If I remember rightly yours is a slightly earlier version than mine. The last line of words on page 1 of your document is incorrect, because you cannot just remove the constant $-1$. This can only be done if the matrix representation of $M$ can be written as $[M]=k[M_1]$ where $k$ is a constant. What you have done violates the rules of algebra. On the second line of your answer to part (iii) there is a typo: $\mathcal{M}$ should be $M$. Are you sure that the fixed points of these two are the same? Vasco Vasco, Thanks for the corrections. Regarding your final question, I'm not sure of anything regarding that part. I'll study your answer. Gary
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Post by Gary on Feb 10, 2017 21:58:27 GMT
Vasco,
I've revised my answer. I think there is still room for discussion regarding the definition of $\widetilde{M}$.
Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2017 7:49:23 GMT
Gary
In part (i) you have shown that the transformation is an opposite motion of the map, but the exercise requires proof that it is also an opposite motion of the PUHP.
Although your suggestion on page 2 of your document (about how part (ii) of the exercise might read), would work, I think it is unlikely, for the following reasons:
We can use any suitable expression for the Möbius transformation $M$ that we create, for example: $M(z)=\frac{\alpha z+\beta}{\gamma z+\delta}$ where $\alpha,\beta,\gamma,\delta$ are real and $(\alpha\delta-\beta\gamma)>0$ This leads to the following expression for $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)=\frac{-\alpha\bar{z}-\beta}{\gamma\bar{z}+\delta}$. We can then choose to define $a$ as $-\alpha$, $b$ as $-\beta$, $c$ as $\gamma$ and $d$ as $\delta$ and we can then write $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)=\frac{a\bar{z}+b}{c\bar{z}+d}$ where $a,b,c,d$ are real and $(ad-bc)<0$. This expression is then of the form we see in the exercise with just the $>$ replaced by $<$.
I also looked at how the fixed points of $M(z)$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)$ and how they are related. I found that I agree with your conclusions that the fixed points are the same, its just that if the fixed points are complex and $\xi$ is a fixed point of one transformation, then $\bar{\xi}$ is the corresponding fixed point of the other. So we can say generally that if one transformation has fixed points $\xi_{\pm}$ then the other has corresponding fixed points $\bar{\xi}_{\pm}$. So if the fixed points are real then they are the same for both transformations, and if they are complex then corresponding fixed points are complex conjugates.
On page 3, near the bottom, you write "H-lines are invariants under a Möbius transformation". I think this is only true for elliptic Möbius transformations. Also, although your proof of the invariance of $L$ seems perfectly fine to me, it seems natural that having shown that $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)$ has fixed points on the horizon, we use this fact to show that an h-line through these points is invariant under $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)$.
In part (iv) I think we need to show from the results obtained in the previous parts that that $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)$ is always a glide reflection.
There are still one or two places where you have used $\mathcal{M}$ when I think it should be $M$.
Re-reading my solution I noticed a typo in the first line of part (ii) where I wrote "h-circle" instead of "h-line" - I have corrected and republished.
I've also made some changes to parts (i), (ii) and (iv) to try and make things clearer.
Vasco
PS In this post I have increased the font size by one notch - do you think it makes the maths easier to read?
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Post by Gary on Feb 11, 2017 17:06:50 GMT
Vasco,
I thought I had that covered by implication, but I can see that it needs expansion.
I deleted part of the text because it was displaying unwanted symbols after a cut and paste. I see your point now and I withdraw my suggestion, but not without reservations. I'll explain why. In fact, I tried writing the coefficients with four new letters and letting A = -a and B = -b. I abandoned it because it was then necessary to stipulate that (ad-bc) < 0, and I thought that if we were to eventually write $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ with the same letters, a, b, c, d, the inequality should stand as (ad-bc) > 0. I see now that it can be done the way you have done it. It is useful that you have highlighted the difference between (ad-bc) > 0 for M and (ad-bc) < 0 for $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$. I agree with your conclusion.
Interesting.
In the last paragraph of your p. 3, you state that under $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ the end points of L remain fixed (a fact which is true by construction of L), and "L remains orthogonal to the horizon and so is invariant under $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$." How do we know that L remains orthogonal to the horizon under $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$? Is it because reflections preserve the size of angles?
It might be useful to add that we know that $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ carries L into itself because L is the unique h-line containing fixed points of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$.
I'll watch for the $\mathcal{M}$ versus M distinction, though it doesn't seem to matter as much as the tilde.
It's a hard choice. It is easier to read, but if all the posts are large type, they will be harder to scan. One can always increase the font size while reading with CMD+ or CNT+.
Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2017 19:26:41 GMT
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No, it's because $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ is a motion - see the last paragraph of page 35.
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Post by Gary on Feb 11, 2017 19:34:48 GMT
Vasco,
I have done an extensive rewrite, which includes another thought regarding $\xi$ and a final question.
On rereading, I see that your answer to (iv) answered my question.
Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2017 11:30:09 GMT
Gary
I took your "interesting" comment as an expression of doubt and looked again at this and found that my conclusions were indeed incorrect. I have now done a complete re-think which may be of interest:
Fixed points of $M$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ Let's define the Möbius transformation $M(z)$ as
$M(z)=\dfrac{-az-b}{cz+d}$ where $a,b,c,d$ are real and $(ad-bc)<0$, and
define the opposite motion $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ as
$\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}=\dfrac{a\bar{z}+b}{c\bar{z}+d}$ where $a,b,c,d$ are real and $(ad-bc)<0$.
If $\xi$ is a fixed point of $M$ then
$M(\xi)=\dfrac{-a\xi-b}{c\xi+d}=\xi$
We can also write
$\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)=\dfrac{a\bar{\xi}+b}{c\bar{\xi}+d}$
We can write this last expression as
$\overline{\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)}=\dfrac{a\xi+b}{c\xi+d}=-M(\xi)=-\xi$
We can write this as
$\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)=-\bar{\xi}$
It follows that if $\xi$ is a fixed point of $M$ then it can only be a fixed point of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ if $\xi=-\bar{\xi}\Longrightarrow \xi+\bar{\xi}=0\Longrightarrow\text{Re}(\xi)=0\Longrightarrow \xi=i\alpha$ where $\alpha$ is real. So the fixed points of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ can only be the same as the fixed points of $M$ if the fixed points of $M$ lie on the imaginary axis. This makes sense because $f$ maps the imaginary axis to itself.
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Post by Gary on Feb 12, 2017 14:04:14 GMT
Gary I took your "interesting" comment as an expression of doubt and looked again at this and found that my conclusions were indeed incorrect. I have now done a complete re-think which may be of interest: Fixed points of $M$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$Let's define the Möbius transformation $M(z)$ as $M(z)=\dfrac{-az-b}{cz+d}$ where $a,b,c,d$ are real and $(ad-bc)<0$, and define the opposite motion $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ as $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}=\dfrac{a\bar{z}+b}{c\bar{z}+d}$ where $a,b,c,d$ are real and $(ad-bc)<0$. If $\xi$ is a fixed point of $M$ then $M(\xi)=\dfrac{-a\xi-b}{c\xi+d}=\xi$ We can also write $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)=\dfrac{a\bar{\xi}+b}{c\bar{\xi}+d}$ We can write this last expression as $\overline{\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)}=\dfrac{a\xi+b}{c\xi+d}=-M(\xi)=-\xi$ We can write this as $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)=-\bar{\xi}$ It follows that if $\xi$ is a fixed point of $M$ then it can only be a fixed point of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ if $\xi=-\bar{\xi}\Longrightarrow \xi+\bar{\xi}=0\Longrightarrow\text{Re}(\xi)=0\Longrightarrow \xi=i\alpha$ where $\alpha$ is real. So the fixed points of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ can only be the same as the fixed points of $M$ if the fixed points of $M$ lie on the imaginary axis. This makes sense because $f$ maps the imaginary axis to itself. Vasco Vasco, This really is interesting. I think I did have a little doubt, because of the results I was seeing in (iii) and put into the last version. This helps to make sense of them. I think one could add that the fixed points are only equal if b and c have the same sign (given the values I used for b and c in $\mathcal{M}$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$) , as that would give a negative sign under the square root operator of the quadratic equations for the fixed points of both $\mathcal{M}$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$. Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2017 14:18:10 GMT
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Up early this morning Gary! When you say the fixed points are equal you mean the fixed points for $M$ and $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ are equal presumably, not that the two fixed points of $M$ are equal, a repeated root. Just checking!
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2017 14:42:58 GMT
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Assuming you mean the first option, then from (27) on p. 152 $(a+d)$ must vanish and $|(d-a)|$ must be less than 2 if we are to get an imaginary value for the square root, and so $|2d|$ must be less than 2 or $|d|<1$ - I hope I've done that right.
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Post by Gary on Feb 12, 2017 19:48:12 GMT
Gary Assuming you mean the first option, then from (27) on p. 152 $(a+d)$ must vanish and $|(d-a)|$ must be less than 2 if we are to get an imaginary value for the square root, and so $|2d|$ must be less than 2 or $|d|<1$ - I hope I've done that right. Vasco Vasco, Yes, but I think a = d = 0 to resolve (27) with the quadratic of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ and with your finding that the two fixed points of each motion must lie on the imaginary axis if the fixed points of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ are to equal those of $\mathcal{M}$. If d $\ne$ 0, then $Re(\xi_\pm) \ne 0$ and $\xi_\pm \ne i\alpha$. Then where a = d = 0, $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ reduces to $\frac{-b}{c\overline{z}}$ and $\xi_\pm = \frac{\sqrt{-bc}}{2c} = \frac{i}{2}\sqrt{b/c}$, where b and c have equal signs. But this causes a problem. If the root is given the sign $\pm$, then there is a negative fixed point, which lies outside the UHP. So perhaps we can not actually have two equal fixed points between $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}$ and $\mathcal{M}$ in the UHP. Perhaps we are allowed only one. Gary
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2017 9:21:46 GMT
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I don't agree that $a=0$ and $d=0$. Here is my analysis of the situation. It continues on from my previous post on this subject.
Because $M$ as defined above in my original post is not normalised, and (27) on page 152 only applies to a normalised $M$, let's derive the formula for the fixed points from scratch. We obtain the following formula
$\xi_{\pm}=\dfrac{-(a+d)\pm\sqrt{(a+d)^2-4bc}}{2c}$
So if the fixed point is of the form $i\alpha$, where $\alpha$ is real then $(a+d)$ must equal zero and so $\xi_{\pm}=\pm\sqrt{-b/c}$ Since $(a+d)=0$, lets choose $a=1$ and $d=-1$. If we now choose $b=2$ and $c=1$ then we can see that $(-b/c)<0$ as required if we want fixed points of the form $i\alpha$. Also we can see that the quantity $(ad-bc)=-1-2=-3<0$ as required for the matrix $M$. We can therefore write our matrix as
$M(z)=\dfrac{-az-b}{cz+d}=\dfrac{-z-2}{z-1}$ and the fixed points of this should be
$\xi_{\pm}=\pm\sqrt{-b/c}=\pm i\sqrt{2}$. Let's check this:
$M(i\sqrt{2})=\dfrac{-i\sqrt{2}-2}{i\sqrt{2}-1}=\dfrac{(-i\sqrt{2}-2)(i\sqrt{2}+1)}{(i\sqrt{2}-1)(i\sqrt{2}+1)}=i\sqrt{2}$
Similarly we find that $M(-i\sqrt{2})=\dfrac{i\sqrt{2}-2}{-i\sqrt{2}-1}=-i\sqrt{2}$.
So we have verified that the two fixed points of $M(z)=\dfrac{-z-2}{z-1}$ are $\pm i\sqrt{2}$.
Since $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(\xi)=-\bar{\xi}$ we can see that these same points are also fixed points of $\widetilde{\mathcal{M}}(z)$, as expected.
Note: If a quadratic with real coefficients has complex roots then they must be complex conjugates. So if one fixed point lies above the real axis, the other must lie below the real axis and vice versa. This means that every Möbius transformation with real $a,b,c,d$ can only have one of its two fixed points in the upper half-plane.
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