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Post by mark on May 30, 2022 0:47:36 GMT
The phi tilde function seems not to be well defined for an f like z^3, where it appears that it could take 3 different values.
I realise this passage motivates the example on pg 515 where f = cz and there is no ambiguity, but 12.II.1 only stipulates f be complex analytic.
Any thoughts on what I'm missing here?
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Post by Admin on May 30, 2022 8:15:16 GMT
mark
If $f=z^3$, then $f$ is not a multifunction, but single-valued. The inverse function, $f=\sqrt[3]{z}$ is multivalued.
Vasco/Admin
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Post by Admin on May 30, 2022 23:03:07 GMT
mark
I would also suggest that you read chapter 5 VI on pages 229 to 231.
Vasco/Admin
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Post by mark on May 30, 2022 23:05:19 GMT
Thanks Vasco I know z^3 is single valued. I'm suggesting phiTilde is multivalued when f is non-injective.
For example, with f = z^3
phiTilde(1) = phiTilde[ f(1) ] := phi(1) phiTilde(1) = phiTilde[ f(e^i2pi/3) ] := phi(e^i2pi/3) phiTilde(1) = phiTilde[ f(e^-i2pi/3) ] := phi(e^-i2pi/3)
So if phi has different values at the three roots of unity, then phiTilde is a multifunction, (unless f is injective).
Mark
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2022 12:36:47 GMT
Mark
Since definition (2) on page 513 is written with an identically equal sign
$\widetilde{\Phi}[f(z)]\equiv\Phi(z)$
we should write
$\widetilde{\Phi}(1) = \widetilde{\Phi}[ f(1) ]\equiv \Phi(1)$ $\widetilde{\Phi}(1) = \widetilde{\Phi}[ f(e^{i2\pi/3}) ]\equiv \Phi(e^{i2\pi/3})\equiv\Phi(1)$ $\widetilde{\Phi}(1) = \widetilde{\Phi}[ f(e^{-i2\pi/3}) ] \equiv \Phi(e^{-i2\pi/3})\equiv\Phi(1)$
So the values of $\Phi(1),\Phi(e^{i2\pi/3}),\Phi(e^{-i2\pi/3})$ are all defined to be identically equal to $\Phi(1)$.
So $\Phi$ and $\widetilde{\Phi}$ cannot be multifunctions by definition (i.e. definition (2) on page 513).
Vasco/Admin
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Post by mark on May 31, 2022 23:48:19 GMT
Thanks for your response.
Doesn't the notation Φ˜[f(z)] ≡ Φ(z) imply Φ˜ is defined in terms of Φ (and not Φ in terms of Φ˜) ? That is to say that it is Φ˜ being defined in terms of given Φ and not the other way around?
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the direction of the ≡ symbol.
When you write "Φ˜(1) = Φ˜[f(ei2π/3)] ≡ Φ(ei2π/3) ≡ Φ(1)", the final equivalence suggests circular dependence of Φ on itself, whereas the book says Φ can be "any real function in the z-plane".
So if I propose Φ(x + yi) = x + y, then: Φ(1) = 1
Φ(ei2π/3) = 1 + root(3)/2
Φ(e-i2π/3) = 1 - root(3)/2 which are not the same.
Mark
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Post by Admin on Jun 1, 2022 11:23:51 GMT
Mark
Equation (2) on page 513 means that corresponding points in the $z$-plane and $w$-plane are assigned equal function values. If, as in your first example, we have $w=f(z1)=f(z2)=f(z3)$, then our definition in (2) means that
$\widetilde{\Phi}(w1)=\Phi(z1)$ $\widetilde{\Phi}(w2)=\Phi(z2)$ $\widetilde{\Phi}(w3)=\Phi(z3)$
But if $w1=w2=w3=w$ then from our definition (2) we must assign a single value to $\widetilde{\Phi}(w)$ and since $\Phi(z1)=\widetilde{\Phi}(w)$ and $\Phi(z2)=\widetilde{\Phi}(w)$ and $\Phi(z3)=\widetilde{\Phi}(w)$ then we must assign the same value of $\Phi$ to all 3 points $z1,z2,z3$ and it must be the value $\widetilde{\Phi}(w)$.
Don't forget we are in charge and we are defining $\widetilde{\Phi}$ and $\Phi$ according to (2). Note the use of the word 'assign' and not calculate. We want $\widetilde{\Phi}$ and $\Phi$ to be the same for corresponding points in the $z$ and $w$ planes.
So we could write $\widetilde{\Phi}(w=1)=100$ and $\Phi(z=1)=100$ and $\Phi(z=e^{2\pi/3})=100$ and $\Phi(z=e^{-2\pi/3})=100$ But of course 100 could be replaced by a more complicated function.
Vasco
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Post by mark on Jun 2, 2022 10:11:04 GMT
Thanks for taking the time to spell that out. Much appreciated.
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Post by mondo on Aug 11, 2022 3:01:48 GMT
mark If $f=z^3$, then $f$ is not a multifunction, but single-valued. The inverse function, $f=\sqrt[3]{z}$ is multivalued. Vasco/Admin Vasco, why is $f=\sqrt[3]{z}$ multivalued while $f = z^3$ is not? Thank you.
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Post by Admin on Aug 11, 2022 6:01:20 GMT
Mondo
Please read section VI of chapter 2 on pages 90-98.
Vasco
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Post by mondo on Aug 12, 2022 1:17:04 GMT
Mondo Please read section VI of chapter 2 on pages 90-98. Vasco Right, I should have checked the index.. thank you.
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